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As for Syracuse University who has an important statement to make to you and then will be available for questions immediately following. Also, here are a number of the members of this committee that prepared this report and I presume they will be available to answer any questions

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you may have Chancellor Corby. OK. I'd like to first just read the following statement and then I'll be prepared to answer questions. I have now reviewed in detail. The report of the committee, I and Syracuse University are indebted to the members of the committee for the

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report which they have produced and for the quality and quantity of effort which they expended in their work. The fact that this report represents a consensus of the committee makes the report extremely useful and is a tribute to the seriousness with which the committee members approach

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their task. I also note with appreciation the fact that all those involved in this problem made themselves available to the committee and cooperated fully in the study. I regret that one member of the committee, Mr Allen stam violated the procedures of the group through a premature

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release of a draft of the report. His action was not in the best interests of the university, the committee nor those involved in the problem. His action is the single sour note in a procedure marked otherwise by complete integrity, the committee has concluded. And I quote

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that racism in, in the Syracuse University Athletic department is real chronic, largely unintentional and sustained and complicated, unwittingly by many modes of behavior common in American athletics and long standing at Syracuse University unquote, provided that one reads and understands that complete sentence. I believe it is

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a fair conclusion. I believe that the recommendations of the committee can assist Syracuse University in overcoming this situation. Before commenting upon the specific recommendations, I want to state firmly and unequivocally that I find no mandate or suggestion in the report or its recommendations that leads me

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to conclude that personnel changes are necessary to accomplish the purposes of the report. There are suggestions that many of us have made errors but there are equally strong suggestions that we can and should overcome those errors. I would also emphasize that neither the report nor its

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recommendations are quote anti athletics unquote. They provide an excellent basis as a matter of fact for strengthening and improving athletics here and elsewhere. I am not interested nor was the committee interested in casting blame on one group or another for this situation. The situation existed and

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our intent is to look ahead rather than to continue to look back. Our effort must be to take positive steps to lessen the possibilities of reoccurrences of the kind of human misunderstandings which characterized this series of events. Let me now comment briefly on my response to

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each of the recommendations with regard to the proposals to change the composition of the administrative board on athletics, I support the recommendations and will recommend their adoption to the Executive committee of the Board of Trustees of Syracuse University at the next meeting of that committee on

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January 8th, 1971. I want to make it clear however, that the Department of Athletics and the athletic Policy Board will continue to report to me through Vice Chancellor Jim G. Carlton and that Dr Carlton will be my designee for membership on the board with regard to

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the athletic department. I support the recommendations. I will follow these recommendations in concert with Vice Chancellor Carlton and Mr James H Decker. And we'll have a statement concerning the functions of the athletic director prepared for submission to the new athletic policy board as soon as that

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board is established, I fully support the concept that the athletic director has suffered from an unclear delegation of responsibility and authority and I accept the responsibility for that problem. I fully support the need for a reflection within the athletic department of university wide affirmative action programs

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for the employment of minority group professionals and staff members. I have today asked Mr Decker in concert with the head coaches and with any others who might appropriately be involved to review the code for Syracuse athletes and to prepare a revised code incorporating the recommendations. This

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revision should be ready for consideration by the new athletic policy board. As soon as it is established, the grievance procedure outlined in the report is substantially the same as the procedure proposed by Mr Decker. During discussions this fall, this procedure will be instituted immediately for all

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sports. I have asked Mr Decker to report to me the problems involved. If any in the training table recommendation, we will respond to this recommendation when it has been studied. I will review immediately with Mr Decker, the full ramifications of the quote red shirt unquote proposal

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and the pro procedures required to de develop such a request. I will ask that the outline of such a request be prepared for consideration by the Executive Committee of the Board of Trustees on January 8th 1971. I support the recommendation with regard to conciliation, education and

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communication. I have spoken to representatives of the continuing education center of the university college who have conducted similar programs and will ask that Lee Smith of the university college work with Mr Decker to develop a proposal to be ready no later than March 1st 1971. With

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the understanding that the program should be ready for immediate implementation. Following approval by the athletic policy board, I have asked Mr Decker to begin immediately to develop a plan for the recruitment of athletes within the framework of purpose of section eight of the report, I will

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review that plan with him during the week of January 4th, 1971. And finally, I fully accept the responsibilities of my office as outlined by the committee in its report. That's the end of the formal statement. But chancellor in regard to the quote aversion to red shirting

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and the institution of the athletic policy board, do these type of things indicate the emphasis of football in the future? Perhaps that you, I I do not interpret any aspect of the uh report to either imply or, or speak to the question of emphasis or de

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emphasis of athletics. I think that the report asks that we rethink the role of athletics within an an educational institution, but I think that's something that we should be doing continually. I do not see it as a de emphasis or um increased emphasis kind of proposal.

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Chancellor. What is your understanding and explanation for the sentence you quote on page one of your statement, racism in the Syracuse University athletic department is real chronic, largely unintentional and sustained and complicated by American uh university athletics and at Syracuse University, what is your understanding of

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that? Now, I find that to be a very uh understandable situation and that uh I think in almost any kind of an organization today, there is a strong possibility that in the press of doing whatever it is we're supposed to be doing. We neglect a number

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of the aspirations and a number of the concerns of the people with whom we work. I think the committee is saying that with regard to our athletic program in general, uh I believe they do not find what might be called conscious racism, but neither do they

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find that the proper kind of positive attention has been devoted to overcome problems that new emphasis on minority group problems uh have brought to our society. Doctor Corbe. Uh the blacks have often stated that they felt the attitude of the coach, Coach Schwartzwalder was uh outdated

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uh and insensitive to black problems. Uh Do you feel that uh his attitude has changed any? And uh do you feel that they can work together in the future? It's my understanding that the section of the report dealing with uh conciliation, education and communication is uh

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designed to uh test and uh work with these attitude, no questions. And uh I assume that as Mr Decker and Mr Smith, uh work together to define a program, they will also work together to define the problems to which the program is directed. Do you feel

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the coach is insensitive at the moment? Do I feel that the coach is insensitive at the moment? Let me simply say that I feel there are some aspects of relationships with minority groups and with uh uh some elements of the younger generation, some legitimate elements of

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the younger generation uh to which Mr Schwarzwalder does not uh at the moment appear to relate as well as perhaps he might chain. Uh Should there be any coach or any member of the athletic department that would not be completely willing to go by? What is

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said in your statement? Would that be cause for dismissal? And would you dismiss this person immediately? Well, I think here again, we uh uh we face several kinds of uh problems. Number one, I uh constantly remind a number of my friends on the campus that the

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ability of the chancellor to uh uh overtly directly and immediately do a variety of things is not nearly as great as is often imagined. Uh Let me simply say two things about this report. I do not expect and I am sure the committee does not expect

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every member of our community on campus or every member of our community off campus to agree with the report or with its recommendations. I do expect that over time, we will need to find our people in the athletic program and people elsewhere on the campus working

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to accomplish the recommendations of this report or I'm sure that we will have to try to develop other arrangements. What was your uh reaction to dialogues printing uh two days early for Sunday? The statement, well, I already indicated earlier that I found this to be really

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the one sour note in an otherwise refined procedure. I sat with the committee as we discussed a fair way to release this report so that uh people would have an opportunity first to review it and then to ask questions about it. Uh There's absolutely no reason

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that I can determine for uh to support the fact that this was violated, this agreement was violated. And I find it an extremely unfortunate act. Have you talked to, I talked to Mr Stam before uh the dialogue was uh released and indicated my feeling about it.

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I think members of the committee spoke with Mr Stam before and I believe that in addition to my statement today, the committee has also released a statement concerning the same, uh, violation of ethics. Have you talked about your recommendations with coach for Walter? Yet? I have

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not, I had an opportunity this morning for about an hour, uh, to visit with, uh Mr Decker about uh, of the uh, report and to permit Mr Decker to, to read the statement which I have just read to you. Uh I have not discussed, uh, my

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reaction with anyone else. What was Mr Decker's reaction to it? I think that, uh there are certain aspects of the report that, uh Mr Decker takes some exception to. Specifically, I'll have to let Mr Decker uh indicate what he uh agrees with or disagrees with, but

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I did not find as Mr Decker and I spoke that, uh, uh there was any uh unwillingness to attempt to follow these recommendations, Cory, did you find that uh did you make your policy statement today in consultation with Coach Schwartzwalder and Mr Decker, or is this

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strictly your decision on the report? This uh the statement which I just read was a statement which I have developed in consultation with the report. Do you think that the university will be able to look down this level of institutional racism which it's going to see

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in the last couple of days? Well, we're going to make every effort through both local and national media and through uh making available copies of the full report uh through that magnificent new publication, the Syracuse University record. Uh so that any interested person either in Syracuse

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or anywhere else who wants to read the full report will be able to do so. And I think that the problem that we so often find with headlines and with brief summaries is that uh they don't reflect the total report, we're going to do everything we

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can to make the total report available. Doctor. Do you feel the charge of institutional racism is a fair one as I indicated within the context of that statement, I think it's a fair statement. You also said earlier that uh the coach does not relate as well

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as he might to some of the changing concerns of students in the field. He's open to change at the moment. And what do you intend to do about it? Well, I have to believe as I've talked with the coach uh for some time that uh the

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coach in the same way that all of us are always open to suggestions to improve our our efforts uh is open to such suggestions. Do you feel that uh the Black players will return to the squad next year? If at all possible? I have no idea.

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Just Carly and uh the story obviously related to the athletic situation at Syra Beach University. Uh There was quite a bit of confusion as to the site of where Dave Msy would speak. Ultimately, he wound up at Hendrik Schl. Contrary to administration policy, why did the

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administration uh set that policy and why did they not uh prevent Dave Mcy from speaking at Hendriks Shell that evening? Well, as I've indicated to a number of people, uh one of the uh uh functions that I do not yet at least find it necessary to

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perform on the campus is the scheduling of facilities for events. Uh Mr Carlton and Mr Brady were engaged in a number of conversations with students about that problem and uh the background of that problem would have would be much better provided by one or both of

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them, Chancellor Cory in the campus newspaper today. Uh an interview, uh the interview Mr Schwartz Walden was quoted as saying, if the boycotters had one valid charge who would have been fired a long time ago. Now, exactly what is your reaction to that. I think that's,

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uh, from my point of view is, uh, is both an unwise and an incorrect statement. Do you think coach Schwartzwalder will stay out? Well, let me just say, I have no reason to believe at this moment that he will not, you intend to meet with him

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in the future on this or he indicated to you that he'd like to get together with you on this, on your recommendations, the coaches at the university report to the Director of athletics. And I assume if they wish to meet with me that they would, uh

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indicate that through the director of athletics and I would be pleased to, uh, meet with him. I got such a, what do you think the overall effect is, is going to be in this whole thing? Do you think it's, it's uh shaken the university up quite

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a bit or, or just a mild ruffle as well? Well, the, uh, the actual on campus reaction I think has been one that, uh, the, uh, of awaiting this report. And I'm hoping that there would be some recommendations which could improve and strengthen the, uh, program

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of intercollegiate athletics and intermurals at Syracuse University. I think again, that the general reaction to this report on campus is going to be that it is an extremely useful report. I'm convinced, uh, that there will be a number of reactions from off campus that it is

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uh not useful and that it's uh uh that it's a bad report. Those of us, however, who must deal on a day to day basis with the problems involved in this report. Uh I think we'll find without exception, it's a useful report and will help us

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resolve, uh and not, not just resolve but prevent the kinds of situations that we faced uh over the last uh couple of years. And uh Doctor Kelly, is there anything in the report or lacking from the report that you would have personally liked to see included?

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For example, there was very little about the uh direction or lack of direction from the chancellor's office in the entire dispute. Is there anything that you'd like to say that wasn't included in the report? Well, I, I think that uh I've argued for some time that

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uh this was an issue that involved at least two and to some extent, uh occasionally uh 567 or eight sides. I'm not really interested in arguing at the moment whether the report uh reviewed the tactics and the methodology of the black student athletes sufficiently or a

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number of other questions that could be raised. I think we could argue that for a long time and everybody will have a different opinion on that. What basically interests me is, does the report seem to have some recommendations which are workable and which offer promise for

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the future and to that extent? I believe it does. I think any individual. And this is why I think the committee deserves so much credit. I think any individual can read that report and take exception to uh a number of uh statements or lack of statements

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or what have you. The key thing to me is, are the recommendations useful and do they appear to uh speak to a problem? And we'd all be foolish to assume that this is a problem that simply should be swept under the rug and will go away.

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And these, these recommendations do offer great promise. And that's really what I'm interested in in the report, Chancellor Corley, are there any recommendations in the report that you disagree with or will not accept? No. Do you feel that any of the recommendations are on your list?

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No, I'd like to refer to your August 25th, 1970 letter to Mr Norman Pinkard human rights commissioner, in which you said you recognize the existence of misunderstanding between certain student athletes and the football coaching staff, but you court categorically deny the general allegation of discriminatory practices.

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Does your statement today and the statement of institutional racism reflect a change in your thinking? Well, obviously, the report, uh the report uh does not categorically deny, as did I uh I think however, again, a very careful reading of the report while not supporting the categorical

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denial which I issued. Uh neither uh does not pre does not present a picture of conscious, open overt racism on the part of uh officers of uh of the university. Uh Here again, I'm, I'm, I'm not now concerned either with arguing about whether uh you add

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up all of these findings and you discover uh for, to your satisfaction that there was no racism, you add them all up and you discover there's great racism, you add them all up and you come up somewhere in between. I simply have to come back to

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the basic point that there was a problem on our campus, which was of sufficient importance to a whole series of people that it created a very unfortunate situation. And our task must be to find ways to avoid that. And I think these recommendations can assist us

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in that. One of the top priorities of the report on racism was the recommendation of conciliation, education and communication. What is your reaction to uh report's findings of the communications channels between the coaches, the players and the black and white players on the team is very

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muddled. Well, here again, I think you can, uh you can talk about uh numbers and you can say, well, the uh the football team had a uh very good season. So obviously, the communication between the coaching staff and the players who played this year must be

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outstanding. They're still, you cannot deny the fact that there was a series of misunderstandings between the coaching staff and some number of the team. And to the extent that these exist. I think we need to discover how we can avoid them. Uh And this, I think

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is the purpose of this recommendation. I think maybe uh I would now uh move from this seat and let the members of the committee if you care to ask them any uh questions. Cause we have Dr Johnson. OK. I think the, just talk to John L

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Johnson, a member of the Committee and Assistant Provost for Minority Group Affairs at Syracuse University. Um Dr Johnson, how would you define institutional racism as found in your report? I use the term uh should be quite familiar to most uh Americans from the Kerner Commission where

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in uh an institution by engaging in uh acts uh which uh eliminate either inadvertently or purposely uh persons from uh minority groups, black people from uh their normal and ordinary, right? So, and that's an act of institutional racism, something that's grown up in this society and

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which we're all a part of it. It's uh should be uh from my point of view, a very uh common well known term uh uh to any person, Doctor Judson in your conversations. And I'm assuming you've had conversations with black players, do you feel they want

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to or can play football under coach Schwartz Wall in the future? I'd rather let them speak for themselves. Well, Doc Johnson, what do you hope to see the report accomplished? The uh recommendations arrived at uh by the committee in which I was a member were unanimous

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and, uh, uh, I support them, uh, personally and, uh, uh, I think that, uh, each one is self explanatory and, uh, um, there's action implied in each one and, uh, if, and when it's carried out, uh, I think it will create, begin to create a more

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satisfactory situation uh, for athletics and for the general climate of the university. Doctor Johnson, you, uh, according to, uh the uh commission's report, it would seem that two of the nine charges of the black athletes were specifically substantiated. What about the other seven charges? How do

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you think the black athletes will react to uh the other seven charges not being substantiated? Let me, let me first um comment that uh uh I think we ought to focus on the uh substantiation of any degree of uh racism or man's inhumanity to man and

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that the substantiation of one iota of one of the charges should be enough for people to understand that uh we have a very serious problem uh in relationships among people. The fact that uh all uh uh according to the report, uh uh everyone was subject to

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uh name calling uh is uh from my point of view, uh a rather serious kind of problem that uh we all as people have to face the fact that uh uh there were, we can try to statistically uh uh or in some way, uh quantify the

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substantiation of a certain number of charges versus the non substantiation of another. Another set of charges is irrelevant when we're talking about people. One act to a person is a serious act. Doctor Johnson. If the committee in fact felt that, uh, that coach Schwartzwalder was insensitive

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to black problems. Why didn't you ask, why didn't the committee ask that he be removed the uh, committees, I can give my own uh, point of view. Uh We are not uh essentially engaging in a uh uh what I would term a uh one strike and

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you're out uh uh kind of affair while uh and, and as an athletic metaphor that might have meaning to some people, uh the committee was composed of faculty or students and trustees, uh people that are uh uh gears uh by nature uh to uh some uh

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radically different kinds of concepts. It's not a uh uh it wasn't a group that uh was vindictive in any way. It was a group that worked well together and uh uh did not uh uh from my point of view, prepare itself to engage in any uh

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uh exclusionary kinds of principles. But you're saying that you will give coach Schwartzwalder a second chance. You personally me personally. Yeah. Uh I'd rather not comment on that. I think it uh uh I have some mixed feelings uh about the uh um the problem as a

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whole. I think that uh any person uh uh deserves a chance to show what he can do and uh I'd leave it at that Dr Johnson. In your report, the commission found that instances cited by black players were also experienced by white players, but they were

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perceived interpreted and reacted to differently by the two groups. What is your reaction to that statement? I mean, it's true. How would you explain that? Um I think that uh uh for instance, in the context of ethnic relationships in this country that, uh, uh, some groups

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would, uh, feel that, uh, the use of certain kinds of names are perfectly. Ok. This does not legitimize the use of names globally for everyone. It's perfectly logical that, uh, uh, uh, black people don't want to be called *** anymore. Black people don't want to be

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called boy. And simply because, uh, the term boy, uh, has been in general athletic, uh parlance for 100 years. So that doesn't mean and, and, and because the majority of white people, uh, uh, don't object to it, that doesn't mean that, uh, there isn't an obligation

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on the part of the coaches on, on the part of, uh, of other people to be sensitive to what each individual desires to be called in, in general. The best thing to uh, refer to each individual is by his first name or to ask him what

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he would like to be referred to that would eliminate the kind of, uh, concern that we have. Do you believe personally that there is a place for authoritarian role or rule by a head coach on a football team in college as, uh, the commission, uh, referred

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to in its report. I'm, uh, I've never been a football player. Uh, and, uh, I would be reluctant to comment. Uh, I do know something about, uh, organizations. I do know something about human relationships. Uh, and it seems to me that, uh, when, uh, we, uh,

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use the term authoritarian, authoritarian, uh we have to put it in a certain kind of context. Uh Certainly, uh if I put it in, within my context as a uh uh university official that the, the chancellor is uh the chancellor and he has a role as

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the authority that governs the university. I'm not certain that he has a position which can dictate how I'm dressed or the way in which I'm to wear my hair. Uh I think that uh these are uh uh examples uh of the abuse of authority. Uh uh

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It could be interpreted as examples of, of the abuse of authority. Um Certainly in terms of the uh uh specific thing which we are talking about, uh, authority is not abused is appropriate when it's abused. Uh, it becomes unethical and uh creates a problem with human

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relationships. Doctor Johnson, uh, one of the problems playing in college athletes is that they have nothing as free as regular students to take part in all campus activities. Now, if uh, a regular student does not have to sign a code of ethics or any type of

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code why athletes are required to do so. I have no idea. I, I, I'm not informed on the, the, uh, uh existence on the history of the code of ethics. Uh, uh, I think it's an interesting question. It ought to be explored. The, the committee suggests,

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uh, in its, in its recommendations that, uh, every student at Syracuse University possesses the same rights and that athletes should not be, uh, uh discriminated against by having to sign different things. Could you define the committee met last night again and issued another kind of report.

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Why did you think this was necessary? It wasn't really a report. It was a, it was a statement that, uh, it was a statement and, uh, it's self explanatory as a member of the committee. Uh I was personally distressed at the premature release of the report

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and, uh, uh I joined in, in, uh the issuing of the, of the statement which was released last night. All members present last night. Uh, no. Uh, do you don't have, I could tell, mm, I think 78 doctor, could you define more specifically what you meant

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by the use of authority, for example, looking the future. Now, uh, what do you, what do you feel would be the proper role of the coach? In other words, what should he be able to dictate and what should he be beyond the hair and dress. Are

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you implying you should be able to dictate hair and dress? No, I, I'm asking you. Um, I, I'm, I'm concerned, uh, on this issue of authority with the, uh, the personal and individual rights of, uh, of, uh, persons. A I, if authority is used in, in

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violation of those personal and individual rights, I think we're all given, uh, uh, we all possess, uh, rights of speech rights of uh uh the, the, the normal uh kinds of rights. Um And, and I think we have to, uh my own point of view, uh

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be deeply concerned with the, um, the problem of uh how these rights can be infringed upon. And it would be very difficult for me as an individual, be extremely difficult for me as an individual uh to uh submit to a regimen, um, which was based upon

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the personal whims of another person and it had nothing to do with the integrity of the activity in which I was participating in. I can only, uh um within the context of, of the uh athletic situation. It seems to me that, uh, um, the uh mm

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authority to require an individual to cut his hair in a certain way, uh to uh, uh, shave in a certain manner is a, is a severe infringement upon uh uh the personal rights of that individual. And in this day and age can only uh uh be,

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be seen as, uh, uh, as an idiosyncratic, uh, kind of, uh, of, uh, authoritarian structure and, uh, from my own viewing of television, uh, I've seen, uh, hair and beards certainly have not hampered, uh, other athletes from, uh, running 100 and whatever speed they run it,

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uh, and, and so forth. It seems to me also that, uh, um, we have a problem of, uh, freedom of speech, of academic freedom in the university. Um And every, every individual who's part of that university has a uh uh right to uh express his views

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and to have them heard, like, like my point is, for example, there was a distinction made in the report uh on the basis of freely gained respect for authority. And that distinction also made on and off the playing field. For example, if uh if uh one

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of the black players were to decide that the play was bad and that he wouldn't, you know, participate in that play. Uh The one thing, the one thing that I will, I I will unequivocally state this has not been a problem for any football player. There's

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only been a problem uh for uh people who are not football in my conversations with football players. It's not been a problem. Uh It's only been a problem for people who are not on the field playing. There only been a problem for people who feel that

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their, their authority is threatened. I've not heard a single football player, blue or green. Uh, talk about the, uh, uh wanting to send in plays or to reject plays or to, uh violate, uh, training rules or to, uh, to, uh, to do this movement or that

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movement. Uh, the, the kind of thing that, uh we seem to be talking about is the right of a person to enroll in a curriculum that he feels will best advance his, uh uh his personal uh uh academic life without someone suggesting that it's negative to

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belong to the kind of political organization he would like to belong to without someone asking him uh uh uh certain kinds of, of negative questions and, and uh to carry his personal appearance in a manner that's consistent with his, with his self concept, the kinds of

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things you're talking about. These are human, uh uh kinds of problems and how they got involved in uh uh condition of athletics. I don't know, I think some, some people that are involved in athletics are gonna have to begin to answer or, or address themselves to

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these questions. Uh One more question, I think you might like to talk to some of the other members of the committee if I should be member or student from speaking with coach Schwartzwalder during the hearings and listening to him. Do you feel he is capable of

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and willing to change his attitude at this point? No comment. If uh Doctor Johnson would mind relinquishing the seat, then perhaps we could have Alan Stan editor of Dialogue. I'm attending this session as a member of the committee, not as the editor of dialogue. Uh could

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uh could I ask you all if you would have any reply to the state of that members of the committee have issued? I issued my own statement which is being circulated by a representative from the News Bureau. Do you want me to review? I deeply regret

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that the committee and the chancellor have apparently decided to continue emphasizing the report's premature release and dialogue thereby diminishing the report's impact and creating unnecessary controversy. The committee was charged with producing a comprehensive public report for the chancellor. I feel that once this document was in

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Dr Cory's hands, he should have fulfilled the remainder of the charge by releasing it publicly as quickly as possible. There was absolutely no reason that I could see for having the chancellor hold it for one and one half days. I feel that holding the report in

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the chancellor's office may be indicative of the way this university handles its communications. On other occasions, our report was prepared as much for the entire Syracuse university community as it was for the chancellor himself and should have been shared with that community as soon as possible.

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While when a release date for a government report is broken, the document is then custom customarily released to all other media. The racism report could have easily been released to all Syracuse news men on Tuesday. If the administration decided not to, this decision was made after

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the administration realized on Monday afternoon that the Associated Press would also be filing a Tuesday morning dispatch on the committee's report. The report's final draft was ready for reproduction. By Monday afternoon, December 7th, the chancellor had seen its recommendations as early as November 19th. I sincerely

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hope that my premature release of the report will not continue to be emphasized to the exclusion of any other aspects of this very significant document. I know personally how productive the committee's 10 weeks of hearings, hearings truly were and I sincerely apologize for any embarrassment my

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action may have caused. Did you consult with anyone on the committee before releasing this? Was there an agreement beforehand that the release date would be such and such? And were you participating in that there was an agreement that the release date would be Wednesday and I

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was not present at the meeting and that was decided, but I was aware of that decision. And did you consult with any members of the committee before releasing it? No, I did not consult with him. He consulted with me. It was an off the record uh

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conversation generally, he indicated that his displeasure, we we would like to believe uh that the reason the report wasn't available for general general circulation earlier than Wednesday. And of course, that we would have liked to get a hold of it as soon as possible. Once you

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know, once the story was broken was that it was just physically impossible to reproduce the document so that it could be distributed to the press. 412. I uh heard that excuse also, I view it just as an excuse. I find it hard to believe that if

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uh a copy was available Monday afternoon, which it was and I saw that it couldn't be xeroxed uh on this university campus within a few hours. By Tuesday, you admitted that uh the report would have been ready for public circulation by Monday afternoon. It was physically

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released Monday morning. Why didn't I, why did you? I released it in dialogue because it was news. It was news Tuesday when it was presented to the chancellor. It was my, my interpretation of our charge that at that point it should have been made public. The

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chancellor didn't have it yet. Monday, when did you have it typed out, man this past weekend? So you had to do that. That's correct. Do you have any idea how it was that associated press cancer? Uh I don't, I uh could speculate that they uh went

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to Manley's and got a copy. I did not give them a copy or authorize them to obtain a copy. What is your personal uh opinion of the report's findings in general? I'm quite pleased with the report's findings. I agreed and when we approved the report list

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at last Thursday's final meeting and I uh help write parts of it as did every other member of the committee. I'm in agreement with all sections of it. Do you believe they left anything else? I don't, I don't, uh, I would like to believe that they

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included certain parts because of the student members, the three student members participating on the committee. What parts were those you believe they included? I think that because of student participation, the committee became more sensitive to how important it is to have students on the athletic policy

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board, including graduate students. Is that the only area you believe just a general mood, a general feeling of, of student uh attitudes on campus. And, and I think the committee gained an awareness of how students feel by hearing the uh the exchange conversation in our meeting,

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other members of the committee or here, do we speak to a uh football player, a black football player is at all possible. I like to uh question anyone else member of the board for these rights? Seven. Is there, is there a stand if I